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 Subject :Several functionality questions and a suggestion for the website.. 2012-05-17- 14:34:40 
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Please forgive my odd call sign, I did not realize it would be my username.

I'm very excited about this project, I've been interested in mesh networking for a while and this implementation of it seems robust and unique enough to manage many modern networking needs.  I have several questions that I did not see covered in the FAQ thought it's possible I missed finding my answers.

What kind of bandwidth can be expected with a standard configuration?  I understand that range between devices and the kind of traffic being sent can greatly affect the throughput, so for example let's say an IRC client or other text-only application that's being used by 20 or so end-users / nodes?  Is this one of those things where I won't know until I set up equipment and test and tweak it?

What kind of traffic is prohibited?  Certain protocols or applications, like HTTPS or VOIP or VPN?  How would the FCC monitor the network to determine that prohibited protocols are being used, standard signal triangulation like when tracking down pirate radio broadcast?

Any estimated costs for cabling, power and antenna equipment to operate one node?

Can a node act as a bridge between the mesh network and the Internet?  I didn't see anywhere if this kind of functionality is possible.  I assume that a computer with two NICs should be able to have one connected to the Internet and the other to a mesh node with some sort of server or routing software installed on the computer to handle the DNS and the bridged traffic. For example, could an IP camera attached to a mesh node be accessed remotely, like a user with a laptop in an airport or from a smart phone that can SSH in to the bridging device?  I assume the mesh network would all be behind one external IP and the mesh nodes would be on it's own private IP address subnet.  What would happen if two nodes on the same local mesh network were bridged to the internet?  I can see conflicts arising if someone sets up a rogue mesh server and starts to play havoc with DHCP or routing tables.  Or maybe not, I haven't read enough about OSLR to understand how it handles those issues.

 

Finally, the website suggestion:  the account creation page and the forum login page are both served over HTTP, meaning that anyone between me and your website server can intercept my traffic and see my password.  I understand that it's just a forum login, nothing high-value here, but it's still not best practice and SSL certificates can be bought and implemented pretty cheaply.  It's not a deal-breaker at all, just something to think about for future website upgrades.  :)


Thank you for any replies and info, I know I'm asking some specific networking questions and I may be wording them wrong.  HSMM-MESH has sparked some ideas and possibilities in my mind and I'm trying to get more info about its capabilities.  

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 Subject :Re:Several functionality questions and a suggestion for the website.. 2012-05-17- 14:37:21 
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I don't yet have a call sign, I'm going to sign up for a local Technician exam prep class and hopefully I'll be all set by the end of June. :)
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 Subject :Re:Several functionality questions and a suggestion for the website.. 2012-05-17- 16:54:02 
K5KTF
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Answers inline


What kind of bandwidth can be expected with a standard configuration?  

The units are capable of 54Mb/s. In optimum conditions, I dont see why not. Example: my neighbor and I sent files back and forth through Live Oaks and Cedars: 6.39MB PDF in 56 Seconds. Not great, but again, through a couple hundred feet of dense vegetation, and didnt take 4 days at 1200baud......

What kind of traffic is prohibited?  

TECHNICALLY, we are just sending 1's and 0's (an MP3 streamed over mesh TECHNICALLY should be  OK, as its not analog music from the radio).... But you are not allowed to obscure the meaning, so httpS/SSH/etc well, use your own best judgement, as its YOUR license.Wink

Any estimated costs for cabling, power and antenna equipment to operate one node?

Node: $15-$50. Antennas: Free(DIY)->$Hundreds Cabling: Some ants come with pigtails, but other than that, prefer high quality coax with low loss at microwave freqs, keep short as possible. Power: 12v @ ~ 1a, Enclosures: Nice NEMA Al die cast: $30

Can a node act as a bridge between the mesh network and the Internet?  

Yes. Connect WAN to internet source (another wifi router, modems, etc), in the WAN setup section  click the GATEWAY box, and voila, it lets the whole mesh talk to the internet. If more than one node is set as a gateway, OLSR figures out best path.


Finally, the website suggestion:  the account creation page and the forum login page are both served over HTTP, meaning that anyone between me and your website server can intercept my traffic and see my password.  I understand that it's just a forum login, nothing high-value here, but it's still not best practice and SSL certificates can be bought and implemented pretty cheaply.  It's not a deal-breaker at all, just something to think about for future website upgrades.  :)

Understood. Right now the site is being hosted for free (subsidized by my other paying clients), and havent gotten around to getting a cert for it yet. Since we are not handling credit cards and very minimal personal info, I didnt see it as a high priority yet.

Thank you for any replies and info, I know I'm asking some specific networking questions and I may be wording them wrong.  HSMM-MESH has sparked some ideas and possibilities in my mind and I'm trying to get more info about its capabilities.  

Go get your ticket and get some nodes up and going !! Cool
Then email me (jim@k5ktf.com) and Ill put them on the googlemap so others can link to you.

73
Jim
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 Subject :Re:Several functionality questions and a suggestion for the website.. 2012-05-18- 13:10:37 
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Thank you for the fast reply! I figured that transmission would be limited to what the routers can handle but I didn't know if the antenna or OSLR or firmware or something would also limit the bandwidth in some way. 54 Mb/s is more than enough for any IRC client or IM application that allows for direct file transfer. So the traffic shouldn't be encrypted? Interesting, I'll keep it in mind. I'm sure short or infrequent bursts won't catch any flak. I think that getting the entire hardware kit under $100 would be a great price point for home-users and under $50 would make building a mesh network in rural or third-world locations extremely attractive. Under $50 though is probably only doable with bulk purchasing, with a DIY antenna, or from super-cheap router purchases but achieving that would be an awesome selling point for the project. I'll definitely look into ways to keep the hardware cost low.
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 Subject :Re:Several functionality questions and a suggestion for the website.. 2012-06-11- 10:48:14 
ae5ae
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FYI, FWIW, IYGARA: Technically, 54-Mb/s is more like a "modulation rate". The highest theoretical data rate would be about 27-Mb/s less overhead for TCP/IP when not compressing the data stream. As the s/n ratio decreases the max rate will drop accordingly as 802.11g changes modulations. Keep in mind, too, that 1 mile/5.5-microsecs is the speed limit (pesky speed of light) so effective throughput will suffer somewhat over long distance hauls. -Rusty-
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